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Fear and hostility toward open carry in Olympia

January 29, 2010 Leave a comment

Fear and hostility toward open carry in Olympia

Wrapping up this week’s coverage of the Senate Judiciary Committee’s hearing on SB 6396 – Sen. Adam Kline’s measure to ban so-called “assault weapons” – the story would not be complete without noting an incident that occurred outside the hearing room.

Prior to the hearing, as several Open Carry activists gathered in the hallway of the John A. Cherberg Senate Office Building, Washington CeaseFire’s Ralph Fascitelli approached a member of the State Patrol’s security team and, after pointing out that there were visibly armed citizens in the building, demanded of the trooper: “Do you know if they’re loaded?”

Sources have confirmed to the Gun Rights Examiner that Fascitelli appeared both irritated and unnerved, and he wanted the State Patrol troopers to check every firearm at the door of the building to see if they were loaded. He was told by the WSP that troopers do not have the authority under state law to do that.

We note that, in connection with this case, several individuals have commented that they would find it strange, maybe shocking, to see a man carrying a gun down the street in broad daylight. Casad’s appellate counsel conceded that she would personally react with shock, but she emphasized that an individual’s lack of comfort with firearms does not equate to reasonable alarm.

We agree. It is not unlawful for a person to responsibly walk down the street with a visible firearm, even if this action would shock some people.” State Court of Appeals, Division II, State v. Casad Fascitelli, in the vernacular, “ain’t from around here.” An East Coast transplant, his activities as the Northwest’s most vocal – and alarmist – gun prohibitionist makes him a sterling example of hoplophobia in action, at least certainly as it applies to his conduct the other day in Olympia.

As defined by the late Col. Jeff Cooper, a renowned pistol instructor who was a personal friend of mine, hoplophobia is an “irrational aversion to weapons.” Evidently, Fascitelli was not aware that carrying firearms in public, even on the Capitol Campus, is legal.

Open carry in this state has been affirmed by at least two court rulings in the past several years, State v. Spencer and State v. Gregory Casad, the latter an unpublished opinion from the State Court of Appeals, District II. Fear of guns has also been discussed at length by Sarah Thompson, MD in her essay titled Raging Against Self-Defense. Dr. Thomas differs from Col. Cooper in her analysis of fear of firearms, insisting that it is not perhaps a true phobia, but simply a strong fear. Those afflicted with this fear, she suggests, project that toward everyone. The result can be an anti-gunner whose fear of guns compels him to try banning them from everyone else’s possession.

Open Carry activists Jim Beal, John Parks and Jeff Hayes told Gun Rights Examiner in separate interviews that they were only a few feet away from Fascitelli when he approached the state trooper. Their accounts have been independently verified by two other sources.

We tried to contact Washington CeaseFire, but learned that Executive Director Kristen Comer’s voice mailbox is full. The incident was mentioned briefly in a larger discussion on the forum.

As I noted earlier here, the Open Carry contingent of the gun rights crowd, which numbered more than 300, was particularly well behaved. Likewise, several state troopers who were on hand were both casual and professional at the same time; aware of the visibly-armed citizens, but hardly uncomfortable with their presence.

In my experience, the common thread in anti-gun people is rage. Either anti-gun people harbor more rage than others, or they’re less able to cope with it appropriately. Because they can’t handle their own feelings of rage, they are forced to use defense mechanisms in an unhealthy manner. Because they wrongly perceive others as seeking to harm them, they advocate the disarmament of ordinary people who have no desire to harm anyone.”—Dr. Sarah Thompson, MD

Prior to the hearing, I had even discouraged some of the Open Carry folks from packing their guns in the open, concerned that their appearance might shift public focus from a very bad piece of legislation to an issue that is already settled by court precedent.

As it turned out, the only objection was raised by Fascitelli, who apparently went away disappointed, until he was summoned to testify before the committee in support of the Kline measure.

KOMO’s always-affable Bryan Johnson interviewed Parks and did not seem one bit alarmed at his holstered sidearm. One might even consider open carry to be covered as much by the First Amendment as it is the Second, and by Article 1, Section 24 of the State Constitution, along with the court precedents protecting it.

That Fascitelli might want those armed citizens checked, and perhaps even removed from the premises, suggests that anti-gunners may be just as cavalier about stepping on someone’s freedom of speech and expression as they are about trying to trample on their right to keep and bear arms.

GOAL Post – Washington State SB 6396 Status

January 29, 2010 Leave a comment

This was just sent to me from a Friend in Eastern Washington.  Enjoy!

GOAL Post                                                                      2010-4

Legislative Update from Olympia                        29 January 2010


     313 SIGN-IN, 298 IN OPPOSITION TO 6396!


(Admin note:  GOAL Post distribution was late last week because I was in Las Vegas working the annual Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trades (SHOT) show.  I’m sending it out a few hours early this week because I’ll be on my way to Orlando to attend the annual meeting of the Florida Sport Shooting Association.  If there are any significant changes, I’ll publish a separate GOAL Alert.)

Anticlimactic probably best describes the public hearing on SB 6396, except for the turn-out by gun owners.  313 citizens signed in for the hearing, 298 opposed to the bill, 14 in favor, and one confused gent didn’t take a position.  Several other gunnies showed up but didn’t sign in because once again they “ran out” of sign-in sheets, or they were unable to find a parking space.  WAY TO GO!  AND THANK YOU! 

(As with the hearing on gun shows in 2007, when well over 300 pro-gun citizens showed up, this kind of presence sends signals far across the campus.  Even before the hearing ended, I received calls from House members across the campus asking what was going on and why did we have so many people there.  This is what grassroots activism and grassroots lobbying is all about.  That, and literally thousands of e-mails and calls to legislative offices urging a “no” vote on SB 6396.))

Judiciary Committee chair Kline, the bill’s prime sponsor, limited testimony to three on each side of the issue, but took plenty of time for himself to proclaim the virtues of the bill.  There was a lot of misinformation and misdirection passed out by the other side, from Chairman Kline to Washington Ceasefire president Ralph Fascitelli to Bellevue police chief Linda Pillo (allegedly speaking as a private citizen, but appearing in uniform.  Had it been a debate format, almost all their points would have been easily refuted.

At this time, it does not appear the votes are there to pass the bill out of committee.  It must clear the committee by Friday, 5 February, or be considered dead for the session. 

Because this GOAL Post is coming out a day early, I can’t provide a recap of the public hearing on HB 2499.  Hopefully I’ll have more next week. 

At this point, no new gun bills have been introduced and no additional hearings are scheduled on gun bills. 


Bill #        Subject                                           Sponsor                 Status

HB 1604   Firearm suppressors                         Condotta (R-12)  H. Jud.

HB 2226   Retired peace officer qualification  Orcutt (R-18)       H. Jud

HB 2264   Gun show regulation                        Williams (D-22)  H. Jud.

HB 2477   Gun sale liability                              Williams (D-22)   H. Jud.

HB 2499   Black powder storage/transport       Bailey (R-10)       H. C&L

HB 2703   Sport shooting ranges                      Takko (D-19)       H. Jud.

HB 2709   Firearms freedom act                       Shea (R-4)             H. Jud.

HB 2711   Right to protection                           Shea (R-4)            H. Jud.

SB 6396   So-called “assault weapon” ban       Kline (D-37)        S. Jud.

SB 6429   Suppressor use by police                 Brandland (R-42)  S. Jud

SB 6473   Right to protection                           Stevens (R-39)      S. Jud.

Key to abbreviations:  HB = House Bill, SB = Senate Bill, H. Jud = House Judiciary,  H. C&L = House Commerce & Labor


HB 1604                     SUPPORT

HB 2226                     SUPPORT

HB 2264                     OPPOSE

HB 2477                     OPPOSE

HB 2499                     SUPPORT

HB 2703                     SUPPORT

HB 2709                     SUPPORT

HB 2711                     SUPPORT

SB 6396                      OPPOSE

SB 6429                      SUPPORT, IF AMENDED

SB 6473                      SUPPORT



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A Response from one of my (Socialist) “Representatives” here in WA on SB 6396

January 26, 2010 Leave a comment

I just received a response to one of my lengthy letters to my Representatives here in WA regarding SB 6396. 

Let’s hope he’s right!


Thanks for your message regarding SB 6396, the proposed assault weapons ban. The bill is scheduled for public hearing in the Senate Judiciary Committee today. The Senate Judiciary Committee has eight members; it takes five votes to pass a bill out. It is my understanding that there are not five votes on the committee for the bill, which means that the bill will not move forward this session.

Best wishes, Jamie

Representative Jamie Pedersen
43rd Legislative District

Olympia Office
JLOB 318
P.O. Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504

Legislative assistant
Katy Buck

Today’s WA State Senate Judiciary Committee Meeting SB 6396 VIDEO

January 26, 2010 Leave a comment

The trip to Olympia was attended by approximately 200 Washington State Second Amendment Advocates, which is saying a lot since it was held at our State Capitol in Olympia (a long drive for most people), and the fact that it’s a weekday, which required that most attendees take a day off work to attend.


Our groups accounted for 98% of the attendees there! over half of us had to be seated in an “overflow room” down the hall (which was also filled to capacity, requiring some to stand in the halls!) where we watched the proceedings live on screen.


It was an amazing show of solidarity and vigilance on our part and I am thrilled! We far outnumbered those who’s desire it is to decimate our second amendment rights and render the American People defenseless against criminals with this preemptive blast of un-constitutional legislation.


We were clearly a unified force to be reckoned with!



We, The People need to be ever vigilant in upholding our Constitution because *most* (not all!) of the people who took an oath to protect it aren’t keeping that oath.



Our “Representatives” in each and every State Capitol and in DC need to understand one very simple message……Fidelity to the Constitution, our Bill Of Rights, our Declaration Of Independence is an absolute MUST in their positions. Anything otherwise, we will vote them out of their seats and replace them with those who will keep their solemn oath to do so.


To the politicians and officials who treat our rights as if they were privileges that they might limit or remove at will, we say that we have had enough. You have overstepped your bounds and cut away at that which no government, no legislature, no agency, no referendum, no majority, and no power of any sort may trespass against except at its own peril.



You have awakened the Giant, and We, The People are closely monitoring the activities of ALL of our politicians and government bureaucrats who threaten liberty, and to share such information as we gather with others who also value freedom so that those who engage in abuses can no longer hide behind official anonymity.


Firearms owners are clearly losing rights with each new firearms law. We’re constantly trying to correct statistics, and those against our second amendment rights don’t even want to be educated because they are convinced regardless of all that information that the real problem is that the (evil) firearms owners have hate and violence in their hearts. They could not be more wrong.


There were several points during the hearing where Senator Kline (D), the sponsor of this bill, was clearly agitated to see so many Freedom loving American Citizens in the building. His behaviour was disgraceful throughout the hearing and it’s shocking that we’ve actually allowed such obviously biased and unprofessional individual to represent the State of Washington. Can’t wait for him to start behaving like Senator Alan Grayson down in FL. Gag.


Senator Kline, You and your fellow cronies will be voted out of office at the soonest opportunity. Bet on THAT. You’re an embarrassment to our Great State and we will not tolerate such abhorrent behavior in OUR House. Polish up your resume, Mr. Kline, and get ready to join the unemployment lines with the rest of us peons.



And to Senator Pam Roach… BRAVO!!! You, Madam, are a true Patriot and we are so proud of you for asking the questions that needed to be asked and for not allowing Mr. Kline to railroad the proceedings and to bully you around! You are someone We, The People NEED and WANT as our Representative here in Washington State and, although I’m not in your District, we support your efforts and will definitely pass the word to those in your district (I was born here! LOTS of Friends and Family in Auburn!) who can make sure you have the support you need to stand up to the bullies in Olympia.



Senator Roach, THANK YOU from ALL OF US! I wish you could have heard and seen the applause, smiles, “hoorahs” and laughter with every single word you spoke today! YOU ARE A TRUE PATRIOT! I know you’ve had a lot to deal with here in Socialist-run Washington State, and I comend you for your diligence. Please don’t ever give up or give in. WE’RE BEHIND YOU!!! (Your question about “how many bullets does it take to kill?” was PRICELESS!! Particularly the fact that Chief Pillo apparently didn’t know the answer!) HA!



Ok…. Now….. There’s something that’s deeply bothering me with today’s proceeding and I don’t think I can let it go.



Our Police Chief from Bellevue, Linda Pillo, attended the proceedings in support of this horrendous bill. This was quite shocking given the fact that most Police Officers across this country SUPPORT our Second Amendment Rights, have sworn a solemn oath to protect our Constitutional Rights, and would NEVER support such far-reaching, partisan and anti-Constitutional legislation.




When Chief Pillo approached the table to give her support of SB 6396, she prefaced her testimony saying that she was expressing her own PERSONAL beliefs and that it had nothing whatsoever to do with her position as Police Chief.




Chief Pillo is entitled to her own personal opinion on the matter, but SHE WAS IN FULL UNIFORM! I’m no Lawyer by any means, but I’m fairly certain there are laws against having members of our Police Force supporting partisan political issues while in uniform. If there’s not, then there should be. I’ll be following up on that with some local Constitutional attorneys and will update you all as information is confirmed either way.

Here’s video of the proceedings for your entertainment. Enjoy!


Washington State SB 6396 PETITION

January 23, 2010 Leave a comment

Washington State “Assault Weapon” Ban Impacts All Firearm Owners!

Stand-Up and Make Your Voices Heard Now!

Last week, our “Representatives” in Olympia introduced Senate Bill 6396, legislation that would bring California-style gun-control to the Northwest and ultimately ban many semi-automatic firearms commonly owned by Washingtonians. 

In fact, SB 6396 is more far-reaching than it appears on the surface and will absolutely impact a gigantic swath of Washington firearm owners, including concealed pistol license holders, hunters and competitive pistol shooters. As examples, consider the following restrictions that flow from the provisions of this horrendous piece of gun control legislation:

*      Every semiautomatic AND PUMP-ACTION rifle and shotgun that has a detachable magazine and has a pistol grip located rear of the trigger (yes, that is just about all of them) is defined as an “assault weapon” and is banned under SB 6396!

*       If you and your child/children are out in the woods plinking with his or her Ruger 10-22 and there are more than 10 rounds in the magazine, you are a FELON!

*      If you are a Concealed Pistol License holder and your semi-auto self-defense pistol contains more than 10 rounds, you are a FELON!

*      The use of firearms defined as “assault weapons” (see first bullet point) are banned for use in hunting!

*      Competitive shooters will be impacted as any semi-auto pistol that has a detachable magazine and is equipped with a muzzle brake or compensator is defined as an “assault weapon!”

*      If you own a firearm(s) defined as an “assault weapon” on the date this bill becomes law, you can keep it if you are willing to allow your Sheriff to come into your home once every year to ensure you store your firearm(s) appropriately!

Senate Bill 6396 is proof that the gun-ban groups and politicians are not interested in only banning semi-automatic firearms that happen to look like military firearms. This bill shows where they really want to go with their agenda! This gun ban scheme will only punish law-abiding citizens and will do nothing to curb crime or keep criminals from obtaining firearms illegally.  This is not only another attack on our Second Amendment rights in Washington State, but an attack on your Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable searches of your home!

Please contact both of your Washington State Representatives and your Washington State Senator TODAY and urge them to oppose SB 6396!

Brief messages can be left for your Washington legislators by calling the toll-free legislative hotline at 800-562-6000. Legislators’ direct phone numbers and email access can be found by clicking on their names either here for Washington State Senators:

or here for Washington State Representatives:

PLEASE sign this online petition immediately, post it to all of your Washington State groups and forward it to every single freeedom loving Washington resident you know. We’re on a tight deadline on this because our legislature plans to debate and pass this bill during this short session.

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